tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post1433481237733013646..comments2023-10-25T09:49:43.089+01:00Comments on BEN'S PRISON BLOG - Lifer On The Loose: Injustice 2 - The Thakrar Storyprisonerbenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-39575731283618952922014-06-21T14:49:41.561+01:002014-06-21T14:49:41.561+01:00to the man that works in prisons.. you must walk r...to the man that works in prisons.. you must walk round blind if you don't see anything like I've said before not all screws are bad I've met some that would do anything within limits to help but I've met those that are at work to bully and intimidate and when they get there own medicine they cry like babies and wonder why no one in the justice system believe them they go to court contridite themselves tell different story's and basically get caught and the screws get let down by this because if they do terll the truth about there fellow officers they get ostracisedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-20157416851870633482014-06-11T21:47:00.859+01:002014-06-11T21:47:00.859+01:00We call prison staff "screws" just as th...We call prison staff "screws" just as they called us "cons". Neither term is pejorative.<br />I note you completely avoid the issues in this post - that Thakrar was ACQUITTED of attempted murder on 3 staff on the grounds of self defence, persuading the jury that the Franklin block regime is brutal and racist.<br />Of course some staff are injured on duty, and I deplore that violence. But to ignore the racist violence from staff is silly.prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-40437442812598619602014-04-27T21:13:59.576+01:002014-04-27T21:13:59.576+01:00I work in a couple of prisons. I haven't come ...I work in a couple of prisons. I haven't come across any 'screws, ' as described here. Only men and women with families who have a job to do. They work with convicted criminals Individuals who by their very nature can be cunning, calculated and manipulative. Why is thakrar not continuing to try and prove his innocence as he claims there is no evidence . Instead he is using his legal aid (taxpayers money) to play mind games with the state . its the only entertainment he has. Prison is a dangerous place it is not a holiday resort. Guards have to protect themselves when an inmate is wildly trying to hurt them and their colleagues. They usually do get badly injured I've seen it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-54065157470050505762013-07-13T01:29:43.256+01:002013-07-13T01:29:43.256+01:00exactly.exactly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-10273617885170916042013-06-21T12:25:05.108+01:002013-06-21T12:25:05.108+01:00Kevan was a victim of mutiple hearsay and joint en...Kevan was a victim of mutiple hearsay and joint enterprise he is innocent and a good guy he is wrongly accused of the crimes he did not commit. So the racially agravated abuse he suffers in prison by the staff is not lawful in anyway and he was simple acting in self defence. In no way should he be tortured mentally and physically by staff he is a good guy just wrongly accused! !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-68634631200657281122013-01-31T01:14:43.334+00:002013-01-31T01:14:43.334+00:00To quote innervision
"You're no longer in...To quote innervision<br />"You're no longer in that land, so probably have less reason to be supercilious and condescending in your responses,LETS HOPE YOU REACH THAT CONCLUSION SOON THEN EH?"<br />oh the irony...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-38696797679840220302013-01-31T01:04:27.437+00:002013-01-31T01:04:27.437+00:00typical screw= small minded, ill educated, tons of...typical screw= small minded, ill educated, tons of repressed anger, massive control issues, oedipus complex, racist, bullying, self righteous, aggressive, uncompromising, unreasonable, quick to temper, vengeful, paranoid, fearful of intelligence, power hungry AND vindictive -TO BE FRANK MOST OF THEM WERE DOWNRIGHT STUPID TO THE POINT OF SOME SORT OF ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT<br />It seemed like they were still stuck in the mindset of violent, disadvantaged 12 yr old boys with all the character traits to match.<br />- i only spent three months in nick for having a run in with a copper who showed exactly the same attributes- but as an educated and soulful human being i had little trouble getting on with the prisoners at all, but knowing my rights and voicing them got me some hellish stick and vicious beatings from the screws.<br />There were a couple of officers who, in the company of their colleagues, shone like angels! <br />beacons of humane behaviour in fact who handed out considered advice mostly regarding their totally bonkers and deranged colleagues and handed out advice akin to the words one would use to assist someone in dealing with a pack of violent and rabid dogs- dont make any sudden moves and pretend you are as dumb as they are so they dont feel threatened quite so much,<br />This contrast only showed how downright evil and insane most of the screws were to everybody- especially if you happened to be brown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-37071648938813867732013-01-09T01:41:04.290+00:002013-01-09T01:41:04.290+00:00if you saw what kevans face and body was like, ud ...if you saw what kevans face and body was like, ud see it was self defence.<br />hes been beaten up loads of times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-19286637081266579652012-12-20T07:48:45.873+00:002012-12-20T07:48:45.873+00:00Well said. But of course, all (good) points overlo...Well said. But of course, all (good) points overlooked/ignored by the dog screws queuing up outside his cell to give him a good bashing. Unusually, this time, they came unstuck/second! Oh well....Darbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-23838897766036379582012-12-19T22:40:53.813+00:002012-12-19T22:40:53.813+00:00kevan Thakrar is supported by JENGbA and maintaini...kevan Thakrar is supported by JENGbA and maintaining his innocents. He was convicted using the lazy law of joint enterprise in which the burden of proof is virtually non existent. I believe Kevan was convicted on multiple hearsay evidence. Shocking to think any of us could end up like Kev don't you think. Not kill anyone. Get life and then be brutalised by the very system you cannot complain about because either no one will believe you or they will say it serves you right. Catch 22 no way out. A living death. Kevans story is an important one and controversial because he is classed as a murderer but he was convicted using an equally controversial legal principle that has no threshold test and has hundreds of convicted people claiming to be miscarriages because it is being abused. Miscarriages that are being recognised by academics and legal professionals, due to the type of flimsy evidence used to convict. b<br />But not being recognised by the courts coz a legal principle is more important than a human life. It is political and politicians don't like backing down or admitting there is a serious problem in our justice system.This is a stain on British Justice and a human rights issue ready to explode. www.jointenterprise.co for more info and look for Kevan amongst the faces of the wrongfully convicted xxxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-23510939034644976802012-12-07T16:16:55.912+00:002012-12-07T16:16:55.912+00:00Oooooh, it looks like you looked up overweening in...Oooooh, it looks like you looked up overweening in the dictionary and didn't like what you recognised . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-24942267161282958412012-12-07T12:02:54.971+00:002012-12-07T12:02:54.971+00:00Semantics are rather important.
Are you ever goin...Semantics are rather important.<br /><br />Are you ever going to address the substance of any blogpost? Or merely continue to take pokes at myself and the blog?<br /><br />Because while I try to engage with anyone, to be frank you are now plain boring, snide, and I just can't be bothered. I daresay you will live with it.prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-79945196513783206762012-12-05T16:43:56.957+00:002012-12-05T16:43:56.957+00:00Ben...
Semantics again.... Nothing that I said wa...Ben... <br />Semantics again.... Nothing that I said was trite, nor did you brush it away in a manner that wasn't aggressive. However, if you want to sit hairs I will accept that perhaps aggressive us an inappropriate label to attach to you.... How about overweening?? That seems to fit like a glove ...<br /><br />InnervisionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-63875831432908868102012-12-05T15:52:44.523+00:002012-12-05T15:52:44.523+00:00@Inner Vision While I don't disagree with you,...@Inner Vision While I don't disagree with you, I cite two different officers who I dealt with.<br /><br />One was a screw: "Why do you do this job, Guv?" - "Banging doors of the dangerous fuckers in this jail gives me a sense of achievement"<br /><br />One was an officer: "When you get out, don't even fart in the wrong place - too many people want to see you back. Here's a list of useful contacts in Northampton - make a network and show your probation you are doing so"<br /><br />And he was from Durham... And he still banged me up according to the rulebook.<br /><br />Locking doors is the easy part, but it's that part that has the most negative effect. I always appreciated the staff who took a moment to check all was OK before bangup, then closed the iron door as if it the entrance to a child's bedroom. And I respected those officers, because they realised that the punishment was the door, not the attitude of those with the keys.<br />Fenrir Lukoinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-70991191202675908542012-12-05T15:38:51.320+00:002012-12-05T15:38:51.320+00:00Disagree all you like and, unlike the screws blog,...Disagree all you like and, unlike the screws blog, won't ban you.<br /><br />Typical screw - that I brush away your trite words is labelled "aggressive". Read the dictionary. It doesn't say that "aggression" is defined by not being obsequious to prison staff.<br /><br />Crappy labelling like that by staff in Reports cost people years. For shame on you.prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-80333825525444905512012-12-05T14:45:01.183+00:002012-12-05T14:45:01.183+00:00Ben....
If you review this thread you will see th...Ben.... <br />If you review this thread you will see that I joined it with a post disagreeing with Andy S's analogy.. <br />No more, no less... I also pointed out that some prisoners in some blocks are extremely challenging. Surely I have the right to disagree with the analogy in the first place, and the right to state a truth about some prisoners dont i?<br />however; its seems that in doing so all i have done is incense you: what is it about counter-argument that you don't like? And why is your default response to counter-argument one of aggressive dismissal of the other view???<br />InnervisionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-23286400608470893792012-12-05T14:34:16.023+00:002012-12-05T14:34:16.023+00:00The job requires the ability to do both Fenrir;
L...The job requires the ability to do both Fenrir; <br />Locking doors is the easy part...<br /><br />Inner vision<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-79240066053090777152012-12-05T14:24:26.971+00:002012-12-05T14:24:26.971+00:00But, of course, if you strip away a man's diff...But, of course, if you strip away a man's differences, every man is the same.<br /><br />It is the fact that, despite his incarceration, Ben went through his degrees, and gained an ego of any type that marks him out as not typical.<br /><br />But as to a Typical screw... it depends on whether you think a screws job is to lock doors, or to make changes.Fenrir Lukoinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-50796374156692891072012-12-05T14:22:28.849+00:002012-12-05T14:22:28.849+00:00Yeah, strip away all that makes me an untypical co...Yeah, strip away all that makes me an untypical con and then I will be a typical one...<br /><br />Thinking like that is what sums up a "typical screw"!<br /><br />For the fuller flavour, though, try prisonofficer.org.ukprisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-10292048591784051322012-12-05T14:19:11.464+00:002012-12-05T14:19:11.464+00:00Enlighten us all Ben ....
What is a 'typical ...Enlighten us all Ben ....<br /><br />What is a 'typical screw' like then??<br /><br />Inner vision<br /><br />PS.... Do you realise how very like a 'typical con' you really are?? Take away the degrees, strip away the uber ego, and what's left?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-50252860059514172802012-12-05T11:39:57.994+00:002012-12-05T11:39:57.994+00:00just when did I display "clear and unbridled ...just when did I display "clear and unbridled hatred of prison officers"? Please point it out to the rest of us. That I disagree is hardly news but like a typical screw you just had to take it too far...<br /><br />And perhaps my view is valued precisely because it is a "cons perspective"? That wouldn't occur to you, because in the crews moral universe nothing a con ever says is worth squat.<br /><br />Luckily, your view isn't the one determining my income. hose going to pay you for your perspective and analysis...?prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-82842783886693389832012-12-03T11:22:05.904+00:002012-12-03T11:22:05.904+00:00I can't see how your clear and unbridled hatre...I can't see how your clear and unbridled hatred of prison officers is compatible with working with or for the Howard League... Your default mode seems to be to dismiss any view that doesn't match your own as worthless and 'typical of a screw'<br />You clearly haven't managed to get over many many things, let alone get over yourself.... How on earth do you expect to be able to bring anything other than a woefully one sided view of things to any debate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-7577458457352922612012-12-03T10:59:22.251+00:002012-12-03T10:59:22.251+00:00Typical screw response, anything less than absolut...Typical screw response, anything less than absolute grovelling characterised as arrogance etc. Get over yourself. I have.<br /><br />Now to work.prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-39665519734331690832012-12-03T10:39:03.819+00:002012-12-03T10:39:03.819+00:00Truly breathtaking arrogance....
In the land if th...Truly breathtaking arrogance....<br />In the land if the blind the one eyed man is king... You're no longer in that land, so probably have less reason to be supercilious and condescending in your responses, lets hope you reach that conclusion soon too eh?<br /><br />Inner vision Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-76488220049234323122012-12-03T10:25:01.240+00:002012-12-03T10:25:01.240+00:00Oh dear, if you knew anything at all about my work...Oh dear, if you knew anything at all about my work for the last few decades then you'd know its all non-violence for me, unequivocally. But then you haven't bothered to learn....ho hum.<br /><br />Took your time getting there, though, didn't you? Now have fun and entertain yourselves, I have work to do.prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.com