tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post8056639379536378555..comments2023-10-25T09:49:43.089+01:00Comments on BEN'S PRISON BLOG - Lifer On The Loose: Morally Ambiguous Murderersprisonerbenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-42749528280504813312014-08-22T14:58:07.367+01:002014-08-22T14:58:07.367+01:00The enemy broke into the army compound and posed a...The enemy broke into the army compound and posed a threat to the lives of the other soldiers. It was correct to charge the soldier for murder with a reduced sentence after appealAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-62506700625201093902014-08-22T14:36:57.786+01:002014-08-22T14:36:57.786+01:00I reckon there are different types of murder:
Self...I reckon there are different types of murder:<br />Self Defence - a battered partner snaps and kills to stop the mental & physical abuse<br />Breaking & Entering - a homeowner kills an intruder cos they fear for their lifeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-7078141745244236412014-06-24T16:13:06.002+01:002014-06-24T16:13:06.002+01:00You keep insisting on what people do and don't...You keep insisting on what people do and don't know; always a silly mistake.<br /><br />This blogpost and discussion isn't about PTSD.<br /><br />Marine A has not got a PTSD diagnosis and it wasn't offered as a defence by him. Only by you. Oddly, the Court Martial and Court of Appeal don't agree with you - and they fully appreciated the evidence.<br /><br />You want it both ways. 1 - that Marine A didn't do anything wrong; and then 2 - if he did, it was PTSD's fault. Pick one and stick to it.<br /><br />Oh no, I forgot. You're not listening to me. Ho hum....prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-10047758056799878782014-06-24T16:09:10.353+01:002014-06-24T16:09:10.353+01:00You are getting sillier and sillier. Just a quick ...You are getting sillier and sillier. Just a quick Google shows my profile is what it is and its been that way long before Marine A. Daft.prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-78358539948633962102014-06-24T16:07:17.113+01:002014-06-24T16:07:17.113+01:00Because the fact I committed a crime 34 years ago ...Because the fact I committed a crime 34 years ago means I cant have a coherent thought? Can't cobble together a view? How silly of you.<br /><br />And - not wishing to embarrass you - if you're not listening to me then why are you here, why did you read the blogpost and why do you keep returning? And not with any attempt at actually addressing any points being made, but solely to denigrate and abuse?<br /><br />You won't respond, obviously. Cos you're not listening to me, remember?prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-29841098813235355882014-06-24T16:03:54.521+01:002014-06-24T16:03:54.521+01:00@bigmacc You are obviously right. The outcome of ...@bigmacc You are obviously right. The outcome of any murder is identical to the victim. My views on sentencing and Life sentences is scattered about the blog. I quite understand your view but the current framework is what it is.prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-73238776549720453632014-06-23T23:06:32.717+01:002014-06-23T23:06:32.717+01:00Hery prisonerben, as if I am going to listen to a ...Hery prisonerben, as if I am going to listen to a convicted murderer. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04027446253734384392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-31766255848320264372014-06-23T23:03:56.042+01:002014-06-23T23:03:56.042+01:00Hey Emer O'Farrell, you are worried about rudi...Hey Emer O'Farrell, you are worried about rudiness of my attack, oh please. I have spent 30 years working with soldiers with PTSD and this is exactly how many behave. You have no idea what PTSD does to soldiers. The problems is PTSD was ignored by MoD and the judge. Nobody wants to discuss the condition because it is too frightening. The gover't doesn't want to pay compensation to it's soldiers. I mean you have 9000+ homeless Britain suffering PTSD! Let's keep pretending it doesn't exist. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04027446253734384392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-30226404428237865192014-06-23T22:54:53.898+01:002014-06-23T22:54:53.898+01:00prisonerben, didn't you murder a 11 year old. ...prisonerben, didn't you murder a 11 year old. I suggest you are using Marine A to promote your blog so you can write a book on your murderous behaviour. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04027446253734384392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-31797640481354493022014-06-23T14:25:30.871+01:002014-06-23T14:25:30.871+01:00But the difference between murder and other crimes...But the difference between murder and other crimes is that the outcome is always the same. You can judge crimes such as robbery, assault, theft etc on the grounds of how much money was stolen, how much violence was used, whether a weapon was involved, the impact on the victim(s) etc. You cannot do this with a murder, one murder victim is just as dead as any other.bigmaccnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-30220004352700901202014-06-23T11:18:20.834+01:002014-06-23T11:18:20.834+01:00I don't think that is what is being said at al...I don't think that is what is being said at all. No-one is claiming that all murders are the same. What is being said is that when a crime happens which fulfills the criteria for murder; you don't get a 'get out of jail free' card because you are a soldier. Of course few crimes are the same. This goes for robbery, assault, theft, etc. This is why there is discretion in sentencingEmer O'Farrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-74121896725152331182014-06-23T10:33:24.734+01:002014-06-23T10:33:24.734+01:00But you seem to want to have your cake and eat it....But you seem to want to have your cake and eat it. On the one hand you say murder is murder, in which case surely every case should be treated the same and on the other hand you say (correct me, if I'm wrong I beleive you agree with the principle) that each case is different and should be treated accordingly. As for Marine A's sentence, I think politicians and journalists shoud butt out, whatever we think of his sentence justice should be done and seen to be done.bigmaccnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-17393893497003683172014-06-22T15:44:31.423+01:002014-06-22T15:44:31.423+01:00Pop at those hypocrites who are the first to bang ...Pop at those hypocrites who are the first to bang on about law and order....until it doesn't suit them.<br /><br />I have no particular view on sentence, except to note it is exceptionally light.prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-56178602997061376522014-06-22T15:22:21.981+01:002014-06-22T15:22:21.981+01:00Forgive me, now I'm a bit confused. Is your o...Forgive me, now I'm a bit confused. Is your original post criticizing the sentence Marine A received or are you just having another pop at Tory MPs and Daily Mail Readers for campaigning for his early release?bigmaccnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-16176024658945032062014-06-22T15:08:20.454+01:002014-06-22T15:08:20.454+01:00Because although 'murder is murder', all a...Because although 'murder is murder', all are still different. All crimes (not just murder) are sentenced according to both guidelines and aggravating/mitigating factors.<br /><br />In fact, of course, in England/Wales there is only one sentence for murder and all who are guilty of the crime get the same sentence - Life. The differentiating factor is how much of that life sentence is served behind bars. Which is where the aggravating/mitigating factors come in. Aggravating factors could be murder with a firearm; murder with a high level of premeditation, the murder of a particularly vulnerable individual; murder with arson; murder with a sexual motive; etc. Mitigating factors could be youth; no intent to kill (intent to cause GBH only); provocation; mental illness; etc.<br /><br />It would be a total affront to justice if a one-off domestic incident caused by a temporary but extreme loss of self control got the same prison time as - say - a brutal sexual killing of a child.Emer O'Farrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-84147204959924276742014-06-22T14:49:29.360+01:002014-06-22T14:49:29.360+01:00Because whilst the definition of murder remains co...Because whilst the definition of murder remains constant, the actual details of each crime differ. There are exacerbating or mitigating factors that are taken into account during tariff setting.<br /><br />Just as well, or Marine A would now have a minimum 30 years instead of 8 years.prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-44454933278804137222014-06-22T14:34:32.700+01:002014-06-22T14:34:32.700+01:00If murder is murder and the law is the law, then s...If murder is murder and the law is the law, then surely all people convicted of such a crime should receive the same sentence. Whether it be life inprisonment, a fixed tern sentence or the Death Penalty. Why should different murders get different length tarrifs and serve different length sentences if murder is murder?bigmaccnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-35784464761811714072014-06-22T11:50:32.078+01:002014-06-22T11:50:32.078+01:00Um, we all know I committed murder. No need to sho...Um, we all know I committed murder. No need to shout.<br /><br />That you don't dispute a single fact of what Marine A was convicted of by a military court (remember?) and just spew out irrelevant abuse makes my point perfectly.<br /><br />Are you sayinjg that only people who have been in war can comment? Because from what I can see this case isn't particularly complicated. No heat of battle. No blood-pumping. Just a wounded enemy taken around the corner and shot.<br /><br />If you are going to support such crimes by our troops then you are arguing we should lower ourselves to the level of our enemies and hands them a huge propaganda victory. Well done. You are now a recruiter for terrorists.prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-21858157267269189992014-06-22T11:17:03.575+01:002014-06-22T11:17:03.575+01:00Hey Ben YOU are the MURDERER it is YOU that is SCU...Hey Ben YOU are the MURDERER it is YOU that is SCUM! You took the life of an innocent little boy, a boy with his whole life to live or have you forgot that! I might not be educated but I know right from wrong, I know there is a massive difference between what you done and the Sergeants action. You know NOTHING of war because when you should have been serving you were locked up for a heinous crime. Karma is a bitch murdererWolf Pack Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06308230848978950246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-91016870329986680152014-06-22T08:19:07.206+01:002014-06-22T08:19:07.206+01:00Lynda, ignoring the rudeness of your attack, you a...Lynda, ignoring the rudeness of your attack, you are aware that Marine A doesn't deny what he did aren't you? You are aware that there is video evidence of him joking about the fact that he committed a war crime? And that video evidence shows him shooting an unarmed, injured prisoner of war in the chest at point blank range? His original defence was not combat stress or PTSD but merely that he thought the prisoner was 'already dead'.Emer O'Farrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-26656233704067875552014-06-21T22:48:15.956+01:002014-06-21T22:48:15.956+01:00And that is the daftest conspiracy crap I've r...And that is the daftest conspiracy crap I've read today. Our Government sends troops to fight in Afghanistan....to appease Muslims?<br />Goodbye....prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-85157947455159576522014-06-21T22:45:50.500+01:002014-06-21T22:45:50.500+01:00Really, evidence was tampered with by MoD to get a...Really, evidence was tampered with by MoD to get a conviction. NO autopsy or medical evidence was presented. Marine A was targeted by Mod. They wanted a conviction and it didn't matter how they were going to get it. MoD and Government are only interested in appeasing Muslim extremist. It had absolutely nothing to do with justice. It was politically motivated.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04027446253734384392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-71776467007899969302014-06-21T22:40:23.617+01:002014-06-21T22:40:23.617+01:00Well, that shows your true colours nicely. I'l...Well, that shows your true colours nicely. I'll leave your mindless abusive rant there for all to see and judge.prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-34819686786052848642014-06-21T22:33:07.808+01:002014-06-21T22:33:07.808+01:00Emer O'Farrell, you are a self-righteous key-b...Emer O'Farrell, you are a self-righteous key-board warrior. Nothing more or less. You sit behind your key board in your ivory tower pre-judging another soldier. I gather you never have served because of your arrogance, ignorance and inept ability to see what is going on in Iraq. ISIS is butchering and murdering 3000+ soldiers, women and children. Christians are getting burnt and many are gutted alive because of their beliefs. Marine A was NOT walking down London drinking a cup of coffee or hitting everyone with a pink fluffy pillow. Marine A was in the most dangerous part of Afghanistan were he witnessed the brutal murders of 23 soldiers. How would you like to pick up those pieces and send them home to mum and dad. No, you wouldn't have a clue mate. Instead, you are sitting in your ivory tower pre-judging on something you no nothing about. Mate, with that attitude you ain't welcome in Aussie. We respect our soldiers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04027446253734384392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3184990032979540229.post-87095865117351088512014-06-21T22:32:16.580+01:002014-06-21T22:32:16.580+01:00They found the enemy, grievously wounded. The patr...They found the enemy, grievously wounded. The patrol then disarmed him. This is accepted fact by all involved. Aft5er disarming him, he was taken out of sight of the base and killed. Again, undisputed.<br /><br />You're quite right - he was charged and convicted of murder. It could arguably have been a charge of war crimes, but hey ho, he had a lucky day.<br /><br />The Government is very happy for our troops to kill the enemy. As long as they do it according to the values and laws we are fighting to uphold.<br /><br />And Marine A - nor any other member of the Forces - was trained to disarm wounded enemy, drag them out of sight, and kill them. Their training is precisely to NOT do such things.prisonerbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14923205052778958118noreply@blogger.com